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Charlotte Bobcats beasts from the East! 2006-2007

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Ensi kaudella NBA saa uuden joukkueen, Charlotte Bobcatsin. Tässä aiheessa tarkastellaan ensi kevään/kesän joukkueenrakennusta tyhjästä.

Joukkueen omistaja on Robert Johnson. Franchisen johtoon Johnson on palkannut erittäin kokeneen Bernie Bickerstaffin, joka toimii valmentajana ja GM:nä. Bickerstaff on toiminut päävalmentajana Seattlessa 1985-90, Denverissä 1994-96 ja Washingtonissa 1996-99. Hän toimi apuvalmentajana Washingtonissa 1973, jossa oli valmentamassa mestaruusjoukkuetta 1978.

Bernien mietteitä tulevasta franchisesta voi lukea osoitteessa:

http://www.nba.com/bobcats/news/bickerstaff_chat_031105.html

Muita pääkapoja on

Executive Vice President/Chief Operating Officer: Ed Tapscott
Vice President of Basketball Admin./Asst. General Manager: Karl Hicks
Director of player personnel: Gary Brokaw
Director of basketball relations: Dell Curry

Noista nimistä minulle tuttu on vain Dell Curry, joka hiljattain lopetti peliuransa. Hän on Charlottessa erittäin suosittu oltuaan aikoinaan alkuperäisessä Hornetsin kokoonpanossa.


Ajallisessa järjestyksessä Bernie ja kumppanit hankkivat pelaajia seuraavasti seuraavasti

1) Expansion draft:

Joukkueen runko rakennetaan "jämäpelaajista". Tämän kauden lopussa jokainen NBA-joukkue suojaa 8 pelaajaa, joilla on sopimus kaudesta 2004-2005. Vapaita agentteja ei tarvitse suojata. Ne vapaat agentit joiden sopimus loppuu ennen heinäkuun ensimmäistä päivää ovat varattavissa, joten joukkueiden kannattaa suojata tällaiset vapaat agentit, jotka ne haluavat pitää.

Charlotte varaa sen jälkeen vähintään 14 pelaajaa suojaamattomista, mutta korkeintaan yhden samasta joukkueesta.

2) Rookie draft:

2004 Bobcats saa neljännen varausvuoron. Seuraavina vuosina varausvuoro määräytyy normaalisti sijoituksen ja lotteryn perusteella.

3) Vapaat agentit:

Charlotte saa tehdä sopimuksia vapaiden agenttien kanssa siinä missä muutkin joukkueet.

4) Normaalit vaihtokaupat:

Charlotte saa toimia siirtomarkkinoilla normaalista palkkakaton rajoissa. Expansion draftissa joukkue saa ylittää palkkakaton.

Rajoitukset palkkakaton osalta:

Ensimmäisellä kaudella Charlotten palkkakatto on 2/3 muiden joukkuieiden palkkakatosta. Toisella kaudella 3/4 ja seuraavilla sama kuin muilla.

Yritin tehdä tästä mahdollisimman selkeän. Jos on kysyttävää, yritän selvittää.
 
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Re:Charlotte Bobcats 2004-2005

Ymmärtääkseni Bobcats menee läntiseen konferenssiin. Varmista tämä GM
 
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Re:Charlotte Bobcats 2004-2005

Itään menee viilikissat. Yks idän joukkueista siirtyy länteen. En muista mitkä oli ehdolla.
 
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Re:Charlotte Bobcats 2004-2005

GheorgheMuresan sanoi:
Itään menee viilikissat. Yks idän joukkueista siirtyy länteen. En muista mitkä oli ehdolla.

New Orleans siirtyy länteen - luonnollisesti.
 

el_Diablo

Re:Charlotte Bobcats 2004-2005

kelpaisikohan damon stoudamire bobcatsille?

robert "bob" johnson ja charlotte BOBcats, aika syvältä tuo nimi...
 

Kosti

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Jos tarkastellaan liigan laajenemista ylipäätään, niin mielestäni se ei ole hyvä asia. NBA:n taso laskee, hyviä pelaajia ei yksinkertaisesti riitä kaikkiin joukkueisiin, varsinkaan jos huiput päättävät kokoontua yhteen jengiin voittamaan sormuksia. Toki näkyvyyttä saadaan lisää, mutta lajia se ei palvele.
 
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Ja aletaan joka vuosi tiputtamaan yksi joukkue kerrallaan Italian liigaan, kunnes NBAssa on 8 joukkuetta. Taso on käsittämättömän huono jos näin ei tehdä ;D ;D ;D ;D
 
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Re:Charlotte Bobcats 2004-2005

el_Diablo sanoi:
kelpaisikohan damon stoudamire bobcatsille?

robert "bob" johnson ja charlotte BOBcats, aika syvältä tuo nimi...

Joo toi nimi on ainakin ihan turusta. Luin jostain, että yks nimiehdotus oli Flight. Siinä ois ollu tyyliä: Charlotte Flight.

Stoudamire voisi olla kohtalainen hankinta, eihän sitä sopimustakaan ole jäljellä kuin 16 vuotta ja 56 biljoonaa. Mutta onhan se pelimies(niin halutessaan) ja oikeasti sopimustakaan ei ole kuin pari vuotta jäljellä.

Rumia ja kalliita sopimuksia on varmasti tarjolla enemmän kuin tarpeeksi expansion draftissa, enkä usko, että Charlotte sellaisia ottaa enempää kuin yhden, jos yhtään. Bernie sanoi, että joukkue panostaa nuoruuteen ja vauhtiin. Eli turpaan tulee ja huolella.
 
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Toivottavasti franchise aloittaa paremmin kuin kanukit Toronto ja Vancouver a´la ´95. Oli paha isku Charlotte faneille tuo Hornetsien muutto, uusi joukkue parantaa hieman kunnes huomataan ettei se menesty ja taas on puukko syvällä haavassa.
 

el_Diablo

Re:Charlotte Bobcats 2004-2005

itseasiassa damonin sopimus loppuu käsittääkseni juuri tuon kauden 2004-5 jälkeen, eli saattaa olla hyvää kauppatavaraa jollekin salary capin alle pyrkivälle joukkueelle...

ja kyllä ainakin basketballboards.netissä ollaan sitä mieltä (näkevät kai pelejä hieman enemmän kuin me täällä), että stoudamire on surkea pg.
 
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Re:Charlotte Bobcats 2004-2005

el_Diablo sanoi:
itseasiassa damonin sopimus loppuu käsittääkseni juuri tuon kauden 2004-5 jälkeen, eli saattaa olla hyvää kauppatavaraa jollekin salary capin alle pyrkivälle joukkueelle...

ja kyllä ainakin basketballboards.netissä ollaan sitä mieltä (näkevät kai pelejä hieman enemmän kuin me täällä), että stoudamire on surkea pg.

Surkea? Ei. Kohtalainen? Mmjoo. Onhan Stoudis lyhyt ja heittää paljon, mutta on laatupelaaja vaikka ei mikään sateentekijä.

Stoudamiren arvostusta(ja siitähän monesti noilla boardeilla, niinkuin täälläkin on kyse) on pudottanut kallis sopimus, huumemokailut sekä jatkuva siirtohuhujen kohteena olo.
 

el_Diablo

Re:Charlotte Bobcats 2004-2005

kyllä siellä ovat nekin, jotka eivät niin välit siviilisähläyksestä, olleet sitä mieltä ettei stoudamiresta ole hyvän joukkueen pointiksi. ei pistä palloa tarpeeksi liikkeelle, ja heittää liikaa... loppujen lopuksi stoudamire "huippukaudet" rajoittuvat toronton vuosiin, silloinhan joukkue oli niin surkea, että damon joutui todella heittelemään itse...
 

NY KNICKS

Re:Charlotte Bobcats 2004-2005

GheorgheMuresan sanoi:
el_Diablo sanoi:
kelpaisikohan damon stoudamire bobcatsille?

robert "bob" johnson ja charlotte BOBcats, aika syvältä tuo nimi...

Joo toi nimi on ainakin ihan turusta. Luin jostain, että yks nimiehdotus oli Flight. Siinä ois ollu tyyliä: Charlotte Flight.

Stoudamire voisi olla kohtalainen hankinta, eihän sitä sopimustakaan ole jäljellä kuin 16 vuotta ja 56 biljoonaa. Mutta onhan se pelimies(niin halutessaan) ja oikeasti sopimustakaan ei ole kuin pari vuotta jäljellä.

Rumia ja kalliita sopimuksia on varmasti tarjolla enemmän kuin tarpeeksi expansion draftissa, enkä usko, että Charlotte sellaisia ottaa enempää kuin yhden, jos yhtään. Bernie sanoi, että joukkue panostaa nuoruuteen ja vauhtiin. Eli turpaan tulee ja huolella.
Jos nimeksi olisi tullut tuo Flight, joukkue olisi tullut olemaan neljäs aktiivinen NBA joukkue, jonka nimi ei lopu "S"-kirjaimeen. Nuo kaksi muuta siis ovat Jazz, Magic ja Heat. Ikävä kyllä nimetään joukkue Bobcatseiksi, joka on aika kei...

EDIT. Magic unohtu, pahoitteluni....
 
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Ainakin viime yönä McInnis näytti kelle aloittavan pointin paikka Oregonissa kuuluu. Stoudamirella tosin 8 syöttöä, mutta Jeffillä yksi enemmän. Ei taida Damon seuraavaa peliä aloittaa..tai kyllä se sen varmaan aloittaa, mutta tekee sen vaihtopenkiltä.
 
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Can the Bobcats save the NBA?
By Chad Ford NBA Insider
Updated: November 7 10:29 AM ET

We may be 360 days away from the Charlotte Bobcats first real game in the NBA. But for the 29 existing NBA teams, there is an intense interest, bordering on obsession, with the league's 30th franchise.

At a time of year when teams are already dispatching armies of scouts in search of the next great draft prospect, the Bobcats' scouts aren't just hanging around college campuses and international arenas.

Charlotte GM Bernie Bickerstaff and the rest of his scouts are coming to an arena near you. Their goal? Find the perfect player to pluck off another team's squad during the 2004 NBA Expansion Draft.

The Expansion Draft, which will take place sometime between the end of the NBA Finals and the 2004 NBA Draft, allows the Bobcats to select players from existing NBA teams.

While the league is still finalizing all the rules of the expansion draft (teams expect an official memo from the league to come sometime this month) many of the rules are already in the collective bargaining agreement. Insider has talked to league and team sources to get a handle on what is likely to take place on expansion draft night. Things are always subject to change and interpretation, but at this point the process is shaping up to be rather intriguing.

To start with, teams will be allowed to protect eight players. If they have fewer than eight players under contract, they will have to leave at least one player unprotected.

The prospect of losing a critical player in the expansion draft has some teams wringing their hands. Teams with a deep reserve of young players -- like the Grizzlies, Pacers and Bucks -- are in danger of losing a prospect they'd prefer to keep around.

The Bobcats are allowed to select a maximum of one player from each team. They must select a minimum of 14 players overall and can take a maximum of 29.

To many GMs, the expansion draft is a very rare opportunity. The Bobcats eventually are projected to have a salary cap of $29.7 million next season (two-thirds of an estimated $45 million cap), but they won't be bound by that number during the expansion draft. The Bobcats will be free to select as many contracts as they like. If new owner Bob Johnson wants to draft $50 million in salaries, the league will let him.

Combine that with a little-known rule in the collective bargaining agreement that allows expansion teams to get salaries off their cap early by waiving players selected in the expansion draft before the first day of the regular season, and many GMs believe that a large, one-time loophole has been blown through the league's strict cap rules.

For you hardcore fans out there, here's the rule:


The Salary of any player selected by an Expansion Team in an expansion draft and terminated in accordance with the NBA waiver procedure before the first day of the Expansion Team's first Season shall not be included in the Expansion Team's Team Salary, except, to the extent such Salary is paid, for purposes of determining whether the Expansion Team has satisfied its Minimum Team Salary obligation for such Season. (Article VII, Section 4)
There is no question teams will try to capitalize on this obscure provision. The Wizards, for example, could offer their first-round pick in the regular draft and $3 million (the maximum allowed by the collective bargaining agreement) to the Bobcats in exchange for Charlotte selecting someone like Christian Laettner in the expansion draft.

The move would take Laettner's $6.2 million salary for next season off the books in Washington, giving the Wizards roughly $10 million in cap room for Ernie Grunfeld to use in free agency. The Bobcats then could waive Laettner and preserve all of their cap space for free agency (though Johnson would still be on the hook to pay Laettner's salary minus the cash he gets from Washington).

Is cap room really worth cash and a pick?

"Absolutely," one Eastern Conference GM told Insider. "A pick, a player and $3 million in cash for $5- or $6 million or more in cap room? That's priceless. Ed Tapscott will be fielding a ton of offers the next few months."

In essence, now that the regular season has begun, the Bobcats suddenly are holding all of the leverage. So far, executive vice president Ed Tapscott and Bickerstaff aren't showing their hand.

There are numerous ways a team can go in an expansion draft. Most of it depends on what Johnson is willing to spend.

The All-Star Approach

If he's a Mark Cuban-type owner, they could select from a plethora of stars who are expected to be left unprotected. Most teams leave players with huge contracts unprotected thinking that an expansion team won't want to spend all of their cash at once.

However, if Johnson felt the urge to blow $50 or $60 million from the get go and put a competitive team on the floor -- he'll have the opportunity. An Insider analysis of each team's roster, and the eight players they would likely protect, left players like this unprotected: Antawn Jamison, Bonzi Wells, Tim Thomas, Brian Grant, Eddie Jones, Penny Hardaway, James Posey, Raef LaFrentz, Marcus Camby, Grant Hill and Jerome James.

Drafting an all-star team is the most unlikely scenario. Teams leave players like this unprotected because they believe that a new team wouldn't want the burdens of expensive, long-term contracts. Besides, the general feeling around the league is that Johnson is much more conservative with his money than guys like Mark Cuban and Paul Allen. They don't expect him to break the bank to field a competitive team in Charlotte.

New GM Bernie Bickerstaff insinuated the same thing on Wednesday. "We want to build through the draft and go young," Bickerstaff said. "It's a marathon. We won't be pressured. We hope to get guys who will become big names. . .We want young, hungry competitive guys who want to prove what they can do in the NBA. We will give them the chance to show the world what they can do. "

The Less is More Philosophy

The opposite (and more likely) scenario, according to some league execs, is for the Bobcats to actually take no salaries back in return. How do they do that?

While unrestricted free agents aren't eligible for the draft (they're essentially ignored in that teams don't have to protected them and the Bobcats can't select them), restricted free agents can be drafted. However, the restricted free agents become unrestricted if the Bobcats draft them. While the Bobcats would still retain their Bird Rights to the player (the ability to exceed the salary cap to re-sign a player with three or more years in the league), they would not have the matching rights that most teams have with restricted free agents.


Theoretically, the Bobcats could draft a team of: Chris Mihm, Jamison Brewer, Bobby Simmons, Jannero Pargo, Joel Przybilla, Trenton Hassell, Tamar Slay, Britton Johnsen, Robert Archibald, Josh Moore, Mike Wilks, James Lang, Richie Frahm and Steve Blake, waive all of them and pay virtually nothing.
That approach gives the Bobcats their full $29 million (minus a $6.38 million in cap holds for the fourth pick in the draft and 10 other minimum roster spots) to work with in the free-agent market.

For all of you Kobe to Charlotte fans out there, this is the scenario where the Bobcats could, theoretically, offer Kobe a max deal to bolt L.A. and head back to Charlotte where he was drafted seven season to go.

However, the problem with that scenario is well known in places like Denver and Salt Lake. Top free agents usually balk at signing with teams that don't have a chance to compete. The chances of Kobe or any other top-flight free-agent signing on in Charlotte are slim. That's why another approach may be warranted.

Let's Make a Deal

What teams are hoping is that the Bobcats take the middle road. There are as many as eight teams that have a player the Bobcats might realistically consider taking if a team offers compensation in the form of a draft pick and cash in return.

Mock Expansion Draft
1. Chucky Atkins
2. Christian Laettner
3. Bo Outlaw
4. Tony Battie
5. Jahidi White
6. Eddie Robinson
7. Cliff Robinson
8. Bruce Bowen
9. Jannero Pargo
10. Mo Williams
11. Tamar Slay
12. Britton Johnsen
13. Trenton Hassell
14. Chris Mihm

Here's a hypothetical scenario (see table on right) of how things could pan out if the Bobcats decide that stockpiling first-round picks is the way to build the franchise.

The first eight players would all be part of larger deals that should, in each instance, land the Bobcats a future first-round pick and three million in cash.

The total salaries the Bobcats would have to assume would be $46.2 million in 2004, and $16.9 million in 2005. The Bobcats would receive $24 million in cash to offset the $46.2 million number. Because of the rules governing expansion teams, the Bobcats could then turn around and waive all eight players. Combine that with the last six players, all of whom have no guaranteed money due in 2004, and the Bobcats could walk away with eight extra first-round picks and all of their cap room if Johnson is willing to write a check for $30 million.

That's a pretty serious bargain. Would the Pistons, Wizards, Grizzlies, Celtics, Suns, Bulls, Warriors and Spurs be willing to send cash and picks the Bobcats' way?

Probably. The move is a slam dunk for the Pistons, Wizards and Spurs. The Pistons are trying to get far enough under the cap to either re-sign Mehmet Okur or to make a major play in the free-agent market. If they could move Atkins, the Pistons are looking at $10 million in cap space next summer. Ditto for the Wizards. They cleared about $5.9 million by moving Jahidi White to the Suns on Wednesday. If they can get Laettner off the books as well, the team is looking at $10 to $11 million in room.

The Spurs have the biggest incentive. San Antonio could theoretically clear around $15 million in cap room if they waived their free agents and got the Bobcats to take Bowen. That would give them enough to make a serious run at Kobe next summer.

The other teams don't experience such dramatic effects, but trading a pick and cash for the cap room still makes sense. The Grizzlies, by losing Outlaw, could get around $6 million under the cap. The Warriors could get nearly $7 million under by convincing the Bobcats to take Robinson. The Suns can move out of luxury-tax land if the Bobcats would take White off their hands. The Celtics could get more luxury-tax breathing room to sign a free agent with their mid-level exception. And the Bulls would get more room re-sign their own free agents.

This is just the tip of the iceberg. There will also be scenarios where a team might give the Bobcats a pick or cash not to select a player they had to leave unprotected.

Anyway you slice it, for the next eight months the Bobcats are in an enviable position. With a clean cap, an escalating cap (two-thirds this season, three-fourths in 2005, a full cap in 2006) the potential to horde a massive amount of first-round picks, a good first-round pick this season and no restrictions on how high they can pick in 2005, the Bobcats have a luxury that none of the other 29 teams in the league have ever had -- the ability to build a team from scratch under the new rules of the collective bargaining agreement.

Teams are still suffering from bad deals they made before the new CBA kicked in. Can the Bobcats learn from their mistakes and help out a few other franchises along the way? You'll have to wait seven months to find out.
 

su,gj,dyrlgbauirdg

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BOBCATS!!!...............ei vissii yhtää jorma nimi.................
 
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REALIGNMENT:mad: The league's switch to a six-division league for the 2004-05 season is expected to become official early next week after ballots are returned by the 30 NBA franchises.

The Eastern Conference will be split into three divisions: the Atlantic, Central and Southeast, and the West will be divided into the Southwest, Northwest and Pacific.

The expansion Charlotte Bobcats will be placed in the Southeast with Miami, Orlando, Atlanta and Washington. The New Orleans Hornets will move to the West, joining Dallas, San Antonio, Houston and Memphis in the Southwest.

Boston, New York, Toronto, Philadelphia and New Jersey will be in the Atlantic Division; Chicago, Cleveland, Milwaukee, Indiana and Detroit in the Central; Denver, Minnesota, Portland, Seattle and Utah in the Northwest and Phoenix, Sacramento, Golden State and the Los Angeles Lakers and Clippers in the Pacific.

Teams will continue to play two regular-season games _ one home and one away _ against teams from the other conference.

Eli yksi idän hyvistä joukkueista NO länteen niin kuin Mash veikkasi ja expansio-joukkue tilalle. Leastern conference fo sho.
 

NY KNICKS

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Suns Gorilla täältä tulee sinulle haastaja...
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Knicker sanoi:
Suns Gorilla täältä tulee sinulle haastaja...
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Suns Gorilla on tyylikäs maskotti tohon verrattuna.
 
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